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Thread: OtherOS Lovers You Lose – Sony Wins

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    Default OtherOS Lovers You Lose – Sony Wins

    Seems that Sony won the battle between they and the OtherOS Lovers. Here is is a quote of some of the court case.


    The flaw in plaintiffs’ analogy is that they are claiming rights not only with respect to the
    features of the PS3 product, but also to have ongoing access to an internet service offered by Sony,
    the PSN. A somewhat fanciful, but more apt, analogy would be if Toyota sold hybrid vehicles with
    an advertisement campaign touting that Toyota owners would have access to a recreational driving
    facility, a no-speed limit amusement park for cars. Then, at some time thereafter, Toyota instituted
    a rule that its hybrids would not be permitted in the park unless the owners allowed the battery
    feature to be disabled. In those circumstances, Toyota hybrid owners who declined to authorize
    disabling of the battery feature would still have fully-functional hybrid vehicles, capable of running
    on an electric motor or a gasoline engine, as appropriate under the conditions. Similarly, PS3
    owners who declined to install Firmware Update 3.21 still have fully-functioning devices, capable
    of either being used as game consoles to play games on optical disks, or as computers, with the
    Other OS feature.
    While plaintiffs would characterize the ability to access the PSN as a “fundamental feature”
    of the PS3 itself, it cannot be disputed that the “feature” is dependent on something outside the
    actual device—i.e., the continued existence of the PSN. Additionally, plaintiffs acknowledge that
    installation of Firmware Update 3.21 was entirely at the discretion of the user; indeed they have
    proposed separate subclasses for those who did chose to download it and those who did not. The
    choice may have been a difficult one for those who valued both the Other OS feature and access to
    the PSN, but it was still a choice.
    Under these circumstances, it cannot be said that Sony “unilaterally took away a
    fundamental feature of a product after that product [was] sold to a consumer.” Rather, Sony
    unilaterally imposed a requirement that PS3 owners who wanted continued access to the PSN
    service would have to allow the Other OS feature in their machines to be disabled. As a
    consequence, for Sony’s conduct to have been in any manner wrongful, it is not enough for
    plaintiffs to show that they have a right to expect continued availability of the Other OS feature
    beyond the warranty period, but also a right to continued access to the PSN.
    Nothing in plaintiffs’ factual allegations or their arguments is sufficient to support a
    conclusion that Sony has any obligation to maintain the PSN in operation indefinitely. Had Sony
    elected to shut down the PSN entirely, and for some unknown reason then offered PS3 owners the
    option to disable the Other OS feature on their machines, users who elected to do so would plainly
    have no claim for loss of the OS Feature.1 Nor would it be sufficient for plaintiffs merely to say
    that, having elected not to shut down the PSN entirely, Sony had no right to limit access to the
    service to those who agreed to disable the Other OS feature. This is not a discrimination case, and
    nothing in plaintiffs’ factual allegations supports the existence of a legally enforceable duty on
    Sony’s part to refrain from altering the conditions under which users are permitted access to the
    PSN.
    It ends by saying:


    The dismay and frustration at least some PS3 owners likely experienced when Sony made
    the decision to limit access to the PSN service to those who were willing to disable the Other OS
    feature on their machines was no doubt genuine and understandable. As a matter of providing
    customer satisfaction and building loyalty, it may have been questionable. As a legal matter,
    however, plaintiffs have failed to allege facts or to articulate a theory on which Sony may be held
    liable. The motion to dismiss is granted, without leave to amend. The motion to strike is denied as
    moot. A separate judgment will issue.
    IT IS SO ORDERED.
    Dated: 12/8/11
    RICHARD SEEBORG
    UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
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    Really? Nobody bothered to point out the fact that Sony dished out an ultimatum Lose Other OS or Lose PSN access which was not just a case of simply losing access to an additional free service but denying consumers access to content they purchased with $$$.

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    WTF? Who the **** cares about PSN..how about the ability to play games beyond FW 3.21? Its a game console right? Nobody thought to mention that? :o...FAIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by termi View Post
    WTF? Who the **** cares about PSN..how about the ability to play games beyond FW 3.56? Its a game console right? Nobody thought to mention that? :o...FAIL.
    It's posts like these that make the PS3 scene so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeyManHRU View Post
    It's posts like these that make the PS3 scene so bad.
    Im pretty sure sony didnt release CFW 3.55 >_>

    You misunderstood what i said..

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    we should have the option to go back and forth between them, not just one or the other.

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    lol i understood what you said....basically lose other os or loose the ability to play games with a higher official sony firmware. It's as if sony owns our consoles after we purchased them with hard earned money. all the court did was abide to an imaginary contract that we didn't sign with sony and pretty much enforced an imaginary law that sony thinks they have....not that I care or anything; just saying.

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    It makes sense, if you dont want to use the latest software and keep other os, then you just leave it as is and dont upgrade. Newer software and psn require newer firmware, you dont want to upgrade, you lose out on those functions if you leave a old otheros firmware on. Everyone knew sony was going to win every single court battle on these things other then 12 year olds who have problems with reality and expect everything free forever.

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    Sony ALWAYS wins

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    I wonder how much $ sony dished out for this ruling. I'm really surprised sony's incompetence hasn't bit them in the *** yet. how could a company screw up so many times yet avoid any kind of repercussions? y would anyone tolerate a company that effectively strong arms them at every chance? I'm glad I bought my ps3 used 'cause I don't want sony seeing a dime from me.

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